diff --git a/selfdrive/car/honda/values.py b/selfdrive/car/honda/values.py
index 2878076de..300c21d2f 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/honda/values.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/honda/values.py
@@ -195,10 +195,19 @@ FW_QUERY_CONFIG = FwQueryConfig(
       [StdQueries.UDS_VERSION_REQUEST],
       [StdQueries.UDS_VERSION_RESPONSE],
       bus=1,
-      logging=True,
       obd_multiplexing=False,
     ),
   ],
+  # We lose these ECUs without the comma power on these cars.
+  # Note that we still attempt to match with them when they are present
+  non_essential_ecus={
+    Ecu.programmedFuelInjection: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+    Ecu.transmission: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+    Ecu.vsa: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+    Ecu.combinationMeter: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+    Ecu.gateway: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+    Ecu.electricBrakeBooster: [CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CRV_5G],
+  },
   extra_ecus=[
     # The only other ECU on PT bus accessible by camera on radarless Civic
     (Ecu.unknown, 0x18DAB3F1, None),