diff --git a/selfdrive/manager.py b/selfdrive/manager.py
index 2af0c3b245..742b1441d0 100755
--- a/selfdrive/manager.py
+++ b/selfdrive/manager.py
@@ -189,13 +189,9 @@ persistent_processes = [
   'thermald',
   'logmessaged',
   'ui',
+  'uploader',
 ]
 
-if not WEBCAM:
-  persistent_processes += [
-    'uploader',
-  ]
-
 if ANDROID:
   persistent_processes += [
     'logcatd',
@@ -206,6 +202,7 @@ if ANDROID:
 car_started_processes = [
   'controlsd',
   'plannerd',
+  'loggerd',
   'radard',
   'dmonitoringd',
   'calibrationd',
@@ -213,15 +210,11 @@ car_started_processes = [
   'camerad',
   'modeld',
   'proclogd',
+  'ubloxd',
   'locationd',
 ]
 
-if not WEBCAM:
-  car_started_processes += [
-    'loggerd',
-    'ubloxd',
-  ]
-else:
+if WEBCAM:
   car_started_processes += [
     'dmonitoringmodeld',
   ]