diff --git a/selfdrive/car/subaru/values.py b/selfdrive/car/subaru/values.py
index 0bf5e782f5..6f799e2206 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/subaru/values.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/subaru/values.py
@@ -228,6 +228,13 @@ SUBARU_VERSION_REQUEST = bytes([uds.SERVICE_TYPE.READ_DATA_BY_IDENTIFIER]) + \
 SUBARU_VERSION_RESPONSE = bytes([uds.SERVICE_TYPE.READ_DATA_BY_IDENTIFIER + 0x40]) + \
   p16(uds.DATA_IDENTIFIER_TYPE.APPLICATION_DATA_IDENTIFICATION)
 
+# The EyeSight ECU takes 10s to respond to SUBARU_VERSION_REQUEST properly,
+# log this alternate manufacturer-specific query
+SUBARU_ALT_VERSION_REQUEST = bytes([uds.SERVICE_TYPE.READ_DATA_BY_IDENTIFIER]) + \
+  p16(0xf100)
+SUBARU_ALT_VERSION_RESPONSE = bytes([uds.SERVICE_TYPE.READ_DATA_BY_IDENTIFIER + 0x40]) + \
+  p16(0xf100)
+
 FW_QUERY_CONFIG = FwQueryConfig(
   requests=[
     Request(
@@ -245,6 +252,13 @@ FW_QUERY_CONFIG = FwQueryConfig(
       whitelist_ecus=[Ecu.fwdCamera],
       bus=0,
     ),
+    Request(
+      [SUBARU_ALT_VERSION_REQUEST],
+      [SUBARU_ALT_VERSION_RESPONSE],
+      whitelist_ecus=[Ecu.fwdCamera],
+      bus=0,
+      logging=True,
+    ),
     Request(
       [StdQueries.DEFAULT_DIAGNOSTIC_REQUEST, StdQueries.TESTER_PRESENT_REQUEST, SUBARU_VERSION_REQUEST],
       [StdQueries.DEFAULT_DIAGNOSTIC_RESPONSE, StdQueries.TESTER_PRESENT_RESPONSE, SUBARU_VERSION_RESPONSE],
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/tests/test_fw_fingerprint.py b/selfdrive/car/tests/test_fw_fingerprint.py
index cc5496210e..d9bea3b965 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/tests/test_fw_fingerprint.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/tests/test_fw_fingerprint.py
@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@ class TestFwFingerprintTiming(unittest.TestCase):
         print(f'get_vin {name} case, query time={self.total_time / self.N} seconds')
 
   def test_fw_query_timing(self):
-    total_ref_time = {1: 8.5, 2: 9.4}
+    total_ref_time = {1: 8.6, 2: 9.5}
     brand_ref_times = {
       1: {
         'gm': 1.0,
@@ -274,7 +274,7 @@ class TestFwFingerprintTiming(unittest.TestCase):
         'hyundai': 1.05,
         'mazda': 0.1,
         'nissan': 0.8,
-        'subaru': 0.55,
+        'subaru': 0.65,
         'tesla': 0.3,
         'toyota': 1.6,
         'volkswagen': 0.65,