diff --git a/docs/CARS.md b/docs/CARS.md
index 65c93f9deb..515dcad4ae 100644
--- a/docs/CARS.md
+++ b/docs/CARS.md
@@ -99,7 +99,7 @@ A supported vehicle is one that just works when you install a comma device. All
 |Hyundai|Kona Electric (with HDA II, Korea only) 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai R connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Kona Electric (with HDA II, Korea only) 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fOCmcQ8hw" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Hyundai|Kona Hybrid 2020|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai I connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Kona Hybrid 2020">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://youtu.be/0dwpAHiZgFo" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Hyundai|Palisade 2020-22|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai H connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Palisade 2020-22">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://youtu.be/TAnDqjF4fDY?t=456" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
-|Hyundai|Santa Cruz 2022-23[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Santa Cruz 2022-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
+|Hyundai|Santa Cruz 2022-23[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Santa Cruz 2022-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Hyundai|Santa Fe 2019-20|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai D connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Santa Fe 2019-20">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://youtu.be/bjDR0YjM__s" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Hyundai|Santa Fe 2021-23|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai L connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Santa Fe 2021-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://youtu.be/VnHzSTygTS4" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Hyundai|Santa Fe Hybrid 2022-23|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai L connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Santa Fe Hybrid 2022-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
@@ -108,8 +108,8 @@ A supported vehicle is one that just works when you install a comma device. All
 |Hyundai|Sonata 2020-23|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai A connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Sonata 2020-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix63r9kE3Fw" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Hyundai|Sonata Hybrid 2020-23|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai A connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Sonata Hybrid 2020-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Hyundai|Tucson 2021|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|19 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai L connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson 2021">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
-|Hyundai|Tucson 2022[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson 2022">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
-|Hyundai|Tucson 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|All|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
+|Hyundai|Tucson 2022[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson 2022">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
+|Hyundai|Tucson 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Hyundai|Tucson Diesel 2019|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai L connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson Diesel 2019">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Hyundai|Tucson Hybrid 2022-24[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Tucson Hybrid 2022-24">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Hyundai|Veloster 2019-20|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|5 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai E connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Hyundai&model=Veloster 2019-20">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
@@ -144,7 +144,7 @@ A supported vehicle is one that just works when you install a comma device. All
 |Kia|Sorento 2021-23[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai K connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sorento 2021-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Kia|Sorento Hybrid 2021-23[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|All|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai A connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sorento Hybrid 2021-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Kia|Sorento Plug-in Hybrid 2022-23[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|All|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai A connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sorento Plug-in Hybrid 2022-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
-|Kia|Sportage 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|Stock|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sportage 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
+|Kia|Sportage 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sportage 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Kia|Sportage Hybrid 2023[<sup>6</sup>](#footnotes)|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai N connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Sportage Hybrid 2023">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
 |Kia|Stinger 2018-20|Smart Cruise Control (SCC)|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai C connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Stinger 2018-20">Buy Here</a></sub></details>|<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ94qoofYw0" target="_blank"><img height="18px" src="assets/icon-youtube.svg"></img></a>|
 |Kia|Stinger 2022-23|All|openpilot available[<sup>1</sup>](#footnotes)|0 mph|0 mph|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|[![star](assets/icon-star-full.svg)](##)|<details><summary>Parts</summary><sub>- 1 Hyundai K connector<br>- 1 RJ45 cable (7 ft)<br>- 1 comma 3X<br>- 1 comma power v2<br>- 1 harness box<br>- 1 mount<br>- 1 right angle OBD-C cable (1.5 ft)<br><a href="https://comma.ai/shop/comma-3x.html?make=Kia&model=Stinger 2022-23">Buy Here</a></sub></details>||
diff --git a/panda b/panda
index ff49666893..0b8c477302 160000
--- a/panda
+++ b/panda
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Subproject commit ff496668930af5f1a649759109732624cb313446
+Subproject commit 0b8c477302af4a10da92f5ba1d7af2a84e2794a7
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
index 26b3491358..2127fc320f 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
@@ -260,8 +260,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     if candidate in CANFD_CAR:
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpV = [0.1]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kiV = [0.0]
-      ret.experimentalLongitudinalAvailable = (candidate in (HYBRID_CAR | EV_CAR) and candidate not in
-                                               (CANFD_UNSUPPORTED_LONGITUDINAL_CAR | CANFD_RADAR_SCC_CAR))
+      ret.experimentalLongitudinalAvailable = candidate not in (CANFD_UNSUPPORTED_LONGITUDINAL_CAR | CANFD_RADAR_SCC_CAR)
     else:
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpV = [0.5]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kiV = [0.0]
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/tests/routes.py b/selfdrive/car/tests/routes.py
index 9802524886..33a7e9407a 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/tests/routes.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/tests/routes.py
@@ -157,6 +157,7 @@ routes = [
   CarTestRoute("db04d2c63990e3ba|2023-02-08--16-52-39", HYUNDAI.KIA_NIRO_HEV_2ND_GEN),
   CarTestRoute("50a2212c41f65c7b|2021-05-24--16-22-06", HYUNDAI.KIA_FORTE),
   CarTestRoute("192283cdbb7a58c2|2022-10-15--01-43-18", HYUNDAI.KIA_SPORTAGE_5TH_GEN),
+  CarTestRoute("09559f1fcaed4704|2023-11-16--02-24-57", HYUNDAI.KIA_SPORTAGE_5TH_GEN),  # openpilot longitudinal
   CarTestRoute("c5ac319aa9583f83|2021-06-01--18-18-31", HYUNDAI.ELANTRA),
   CarTestRoute("734ef96182ddf940|2022-10-02--16-41-44", HYUNDAI.ELANTRA_GT_I30),
   CarTestRoute("82e9cdd3f43bf83e|2021-05-15--02-42-51", HYUNDAI.ELANTRA_2021),