diff --git a/selfdrive/car/chrysler/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/chrysler/interface.py
index 22b2073883..a3c0b0c7a1 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/chrysler/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/chrysler/interface.py
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python3
 from cereal import car
 from panda import Panda
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.chrysler.values import CAR, RAM_HD, RAM_DT, RAM_CARS, ChryslerFlags
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
 
     # Chrysler
     if candidate in (CAR.PACIFICA_2017_HYBRID, CAR.PACIFICA_2018, CAR.PACIFICA_2018_HYBRID, CAR.PACIFICA_2019_HYBRID, CAR.PACIFICA_2020):
-      ret.mass = 2242. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2242.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.089
       ret.steerRatio = 16.2  # Pacifica Hybrid 2017
 
@@ -46,7 +46,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
 
     # Jeep
     elif candidate in (CAR.JEEP_CHEROKEE, CAR.JEEP_CHEROKEE_2019):
-      ret.mass = 1778 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1778
       ret.wheelbase = 2.71
       ret.steerRatio = 16.7
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.2
@@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.2
       ret.wheelbase = 3.88
       ret.steerRatio = 16.3
-      ret.mass = 2493. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2493.
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 14.5
       # Older EPS FW allow steer to zero
       if any(fw.ecu == 'eps' and fw.fwVersion[:4] <= b"6831" for fw in car_fw):
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.2
       ret.wheelbase = 3.785
       ret.steerRatio = 15.61
-      ret.mass = 3405. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3405.
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 16
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning, 1.0, False)
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/ford/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/ford/interface.py
index d74baa3ce4..990d14de93 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/ford/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/ford/interface.py
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
 from cereal import car
 from panda import Panda
 from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.ford.fordcan import CanBus
 from selfdrive.car.ford.values import CANFD_CAR, CAR, Ecu
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
@@ -39,33 +39,33 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     if candidate == CAR.BRONCO_SPORT_MK1:
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.steerRatio = 17.7
-      ret.mass = 1625 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1625
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ESCAPE_MK4:
       ret.wheelbase = 2.71
       ret.steerRatio = 16.7
-      ret.mass = 1750 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1750
 
     elif candidate == CAR.EXPLORER_MK6:
       ret.wheelbase = 3.025
       ret.steerRatio = 16.8
-      ret.mass = 2050 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2050
 
     elif candidate == CAR.F_150_MK14:
       # required trim only on SuperCrew
       ret.wheelbase = 3.69
       ret.steerRatio = 17.0
-      ret.mass = 2000 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2000
 
     elif candidate == CAR.FOCUS_MK4:
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 15.0
-      ret.mass = 1350 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1350
 
     elif candidate == CAR.MAVERICK_MK1:
       ret.wheelbase = 3.076
       ret.steerRatio = 17.0
-      ret.mass = 1650 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1650
 
     else:
       raise ValueError(f"Unsupported car: {candidate}")
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/gm/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/gm/interface.py
index 3748fd8868..8e139947a6 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/gm/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/gm/interface.py
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ from math import fabs, exp
 from panda import Panda
 
 from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, create_button_event, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import create_button_event, get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.gm.radar_interface import RADAR_HEADER_MSG
 from selfdrive.car.gm.values import CAR, CruiseButtons, CarControllerParams, EV_CAR, CAMERA_ACC_CAR, CanBus
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase, TorqueFromLateralAccelCallbackType, FRICTION_THRESHOLD
@@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     ret.longitudinalActuatorDelayUpperBound = 0.5  # large delay to initially start braking
 
     if candidate == CAR.VOLT:
-      ret.mass = 1607. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1607.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.69
       ret.steerRatio = 17.7  # Stock 15.7, LiveParameters
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.469  # Stock Michelin Energy Saver A/S, LiveParameters
@@ -149,13 +149,13 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.2
 
     elif candidate == CAR.MALIBU:
-      ret.mass = 1496. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1496.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83
       ret.steerRatio = 15.8
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4  # wild guess
 
     elif candidate == CAR.HOLDEN_ASTRA:
-      ret.mass = 1363. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1363.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.662
       # Remaining parameters copied from Volt for now
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
@@ -163,7 +163,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ACADIA:
       ret.minEnableSpeed = -1.  # engage speed is decided by pcm
-      ret.mass = 4353. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4353. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.86
       ret.steerRatio = 14.4  # end to end is 13.46
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
@@ -171,27 +171,27 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.BUICK_LACROSSE:
-      ret.mass = 1712. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1712.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.91
       ret.steerRatio = 15.8
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4  # wild guess
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.BUICK_REGAL:
-      ret.mass = 3779. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # (3849+3708)/2
+      ret.mass = 3779. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # (3849+3708)/2
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83  # 111.4 inches in meters
       ret.steerRatio = 14.4  # guess for tourx
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4  # guess for tourx
 
     elif candidate == CAR.CADILLAC_ATS:
-      ret.mass = 1601. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1601.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.78
       ret.steerRatio = 15.3
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ESCALADE:
       ret.minEnableSpeed = -1.  # engage speed is decided by pcm
-      ret.mass = 5653. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # (5552+5815)/2
+      ret.mass = 5653. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # (5552+5815)/2
       ret.wheelbase = 2.95  # 116 inches in meters
       ret.steerRatio = 17.3
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
@@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ESCALADE_ESV:
       ret.minEnableSpeed = -1.  # engage speed is decided by pcm
-      ret.mass = 2739. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2739.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.302
       ret.steerRatio = 17.3
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
@@ -209,7 +209,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 1.0
 
     elif candidate == CAR.BOLT_EUV:
-      ret.mass = 1669. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1669.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.63779
       ret.steerRatio = 16.8
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
@@ -218,7 +218,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SILVERADO:
-      ret.mass = 2450. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2450.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.75
       ret.steerRatio = 16.3
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
@@ -231,14 +231,14 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.EQUINOX:
-      ret.mass = 3500. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3500. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.72
       ret.steerRatio = 14.4
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TRAILBLAZER:
-      ret.mass = 1345. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1345.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.64
       ret.steerRatio = 16.8
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
index 248be60ee5..1025eb6212 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
 from common.numpy_fast import interp
 from selfdrive.car.honda.values import CarControllerParams, CruiseButtons, HondaFlags, CAR, HONDA_BOSCH, HONDA_NIDEC_ALT_SCM_MESSAGES, \
                                                                                             HONDA_BOSCH_ALT_BRAKE_SIGNAL, HONDA_BOSCH_RADARLESS
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, create_button_event, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import create_button_event, get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 from selfdrive.car.disable_ecu import disable_ecu
 
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
         eps_modified = True
 
     if candidate == CAR.CIVIC:
-      ret.mass = 1326. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1326.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.70
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
       ret.steerRatio = 15.38  # 10.93 is end-to-end spec
@@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
         ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[1.1], [0.33]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH, CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH_DIESEL, CAR.CIVIC_2022):
-      ret.mass = 1326. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1326.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.70
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.4
       ret.steerRatio = 15.38  # 10.93 is end-to-end spec
@@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.ACCORD, CAR.ACCORDH):
-      ret.mass = 3279. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3279. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
       ret.steerRatio = 16.33  # 11.82 is spec end-to-end
@@ -128,7 +128,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
         ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.6], [0.18]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ACURA_ILX:
-      ret.mass = 3095. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3095. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.37
       ret.steerRatio = 18.61  # 15.3 is spec end-to-end
@@ -137,7 +137,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.CRV, CAR.CRV_EU):
-      ret.mass = 3572. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3572. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.62
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.89  # as spec
@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelSpeedFactor = 1.025
 
     elif candidate == CAR.CRV_5G:
-      ret.mass = 3410. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3410. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # 12.3 is spec end-to-end
@@ -164,7 +164,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelSpeedFactor = 1.025
 
     elif candidate == CAR.CRV_HYBRID:
-      ret.mass = 1667. + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean of 4 models in kg
+      ret.mass = 1667.  # mean of 4 models in kg
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # 12.3 is spec end-to-end
@@ -174,7 +174,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelSpeedFactor = 1.025
 
     elif candidate == CAR.FIT:
-      ret.mass = 2644. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2644. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.53
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
       ret.steerRatio = 13.06
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.2], [0.05]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.FREED:
-      ret.mass = 3086. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3086. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.74
       # the remaining parameters were copied from FIT
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
@@ -193,7 +193,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.2], [0.05]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.HRV, CAR.HRV_3G):
-      ret.mass = 3125 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3125 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.61
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 15.2
@@ -206,7 +206,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
         ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]  # TODO: can probably use some tuning
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ACURA_RDX:
-      ret.mass = 3935. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3935. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.68
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.38
       ret.steerRatio = 15.0  # as spec
@@ -215,7 +215,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ACURA_RDX_3G:
-      ret.mass = 4068. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4068. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.75
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 11.95  # as spec
@@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.677
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.ODYSSEY, CAR.ODYSSEY_CHN):
-      ret.mass = 1900. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1900.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.00
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 14.35  # as spec
@@ -236,7 +236,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
         ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]]  # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
 
     elif candidate == CAR.PILOT:
-      ret.mass = 4278. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # average weight
+      ret.mass = 4278. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # average weight
       ret.wheelbase = 2.86
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.428
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # as spec
@@ -245,7 +245,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.38], [0.11]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.RIDGELINE:
-      ret.mass = 4515. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4515. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 3.18
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 15.59  # as spec
@@ -254,7 +254,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.38], [0.11]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.INSIGHT:
-      ret.mass = 2987. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2987. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
       ret.steerRatio = 15.0  # 12.58 is spec end-to-end
@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.6], [0.18]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.HONDA_E:
-      ret.mass = 3338.8 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3338.8 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.5
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 16.71
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
index 45b9f0923f..ed0dab54fc 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/hyundai/interface.py
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ from selfdrive.car.hyundai.hyundaicanfd import CanBus
 from selfdrive.car.hyundai.values import HyundaiFlags, CAR, DBC, CANFD_CAR, CAMERA_SCC_CAR, CANFD_RADAR_SCC_CAR, \
                                                             EV_CAR, HYBRID_CAR, LEGACY_SAFETY_MODE_CAR, Buttons
 from selfdrive.car.hyundai.radar_interface import RADAR_START_ADDR
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, create_button_event, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import create_button_event, get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 from selfdrive.car.disable_ecu import disable_ecu
 
@@ -62,180 +62,180 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     if candidate in (CAR.SANTA_FE, CAR.SANTA_FE_2022, CAR.SANTA_FE_HEV_2022, CAR.SANTA_FE_PHEV_2022):
-      ret.mass = 3982. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3982. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.766
       # Values from optimizer
       ret.steerRatio = 16.55  # 13.8 is spec end-to-end
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.82
     elif candidate in (CAR.SONATA, CAR.SONATA_HYBRID):
-      ret.mass = 1513. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1513.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.84
       ret.steerRatio = 13.27 * 1.15   # 15% higher at the center seems reasonable
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.65
     elif candidate == CAR.SONATA_LF:
-      ret.mass = 1536. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1536.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.804
       ret.steerRatio = 13.27 * 1.15   # 15% higher at the center seems reasonable
     elif candidate == CAR.PALISADE:
-      ret.mass = 1999. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1999.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.90
       ret.steerRatio = 15.6 * 1.15
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.63
     elif candidate == CAR.ELANTRA:
-      ret.mass = 1275. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1275.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 15.4            # 14 is Stock | Settled Params Learner values are steerRatio: 15.401566348670535
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385    # stiffnessFactor settled on 1.0081302973865127
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 32 * CV.MPH_TO_MS
     elif candidate == CAR.ELANTRA_2021:
-      ret.mass = (2800. * CV.LB_TO_KG) + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2800. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.72
       ret.steerRatio = 12.9
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.65
     elif candidate == CAR.ELANTRA_HEV_2021:
-      ret.mass = (3017. * CV.LB_TO_KG) + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3017. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.72
       ret.steerRatio = 12.9
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.65
     elif candidate == CAR.HYUNDAI_GENESIS:
-      ret.mass = 2060. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2060.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.01
       ret.steerRatio = 16.5
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 60 * CV.KPH_TO_MS
     elif candidate in (CAR.KONA, CAR.KONA_EV, CAR.KONA_HEV, CAR.KONA_EV_2022):
-      ret.mass = {CAR.KONA_EV: 1685., CAR.KONA_HEV: 1425., CAR.KONA_EV_2022: 1743.}.get(candidate, 1275.) + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = {CAR.KONA_EV: 1685., CAR.KONA_HEV: 1425., CAR.KONA_EV_2022: 1743.}.get(candidate, 1275.)
       ret.wheelbase = 2.6
       ret.steerRatio = 13.42  # Spec
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385
     elif candidate in (CAR.IONIQ, CAR.IONIQ_EV_LTD, CAR.IONIQ_PHEV_2019, CAR.IONIQ_HEV_2022, CAR.IONIQ_EV_2020, CAR.IONIQ_PHEV):
-      ret.mass = 1490. + STD_CARGO_KG  # weight per hyundai site https://www.hyundaiusa.com/ioniq-electric/specifications.aspx
+      ret.mass = 1490.  # weight per hyundai site https://www.hyundaiusa.com/ioniq-electric/specifications.aspx
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 13.73  # Spec
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385
       if candidate in (CAR.IONIQ, CAR.IONIQ_EV_LTD, CAR.IONIQ_PHEV_2019):
         ret.minSteerSpeed = 32 * CV.MPH_TO_MS
     elif candidate == CAR.VELOSTER:
-      ret.mass = 2917. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2917. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.80
       ret.steerRatio = 13.75 * 1.15
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5
     elif candidate == CAR.TUCSON:
-      ret.mass = 3520. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3520. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.steerRatio = 14.00 * 1.15
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385
     elif candidate in (CAR.TUCSON_4TH_GEN, CAR.TUCSON_HYBRID_4TH_GEN):
-      ret.mass = 1630. + STD_CARGO_KG  # average
+      ret.mass = 1630.  # average
       ret.wheelbase = 2.756
       ret.steerRatio = 16.
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385
     elif candidate == CAR.SANTA_CRUZ_1ST_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 1870. + STD_CARGO_KG  # weight from Limited trim - the only supported trim
+      ret.mass = 1870.  # weight from Limited trim - the only supported trim
       ret.wheelbase = 3.000
       # steering ratio according to Hyundai News https://www.hyundainews.com/assets/documents/original/48035-2022SantaCruzProductGuideSpecsv2081521.pdf
       ret.steerRatio = 14.2
 
     # Kia
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_SORENTO:
-      ret.mass = 1985. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1985.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.78
       ret.steerRatio = 14.4 * 1.1   # 10% higher at the center seems reasonable
     elif candidate in (CAR.KIA_NIRO_EV, CAR.KIA_NIRO_EV_2ND_GEN, CAR.KIA_NIRO_PHEV, CAR.KIA_NIRO_HEV_2021, CAR.KIA_NIRO_HEV_2ND_GEN):
-      ret.mass = 3543. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # average of all the cars
+      ret.mass = 3543. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # average of all the cars
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 13.6  # average of all the cars
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.385
       if candidate == CAR.KIA_NIRO_PHEV:
         ret.minSteerSpeed = 32 * CV.MPH_TO_MS
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_SELTOS:
-      ret.mass = 1337. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1337.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.63
       ret.steerRatio = 14.56
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_SPORTAGE_5TH_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 1700. + STD_CARGO_KG  # weight from SX and above trims, average of FWD and AWD versions
+      ret.mass = 1700.  # weight from SX and above trims, average of FWD and AWD versions
       ret.wheelbase = 2.756
       ret.steerRatio = 13.6  # steering ratio according to Kia News https://www.kiamedia.com/us/en/models/sportage/2023/specifications
     elif candidate in (CAR.KIA_OPTIMA_G4, CAR.KIA_OPTIMA_G4_FL, CAR.KIA_OPTIMA_H):
-      ret.mass = 3558. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3558. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.80
       ret.steerRatio = 13.75
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5
       if candidate == CAR.KIA_OPTIMA_G4:
         ret.minSteerSpeed = 32 * CV.MPH_TO_MS
     elif candidate in (CAR.KIA_STINGER, CAR.KIA_STINGER_2022):
-      ret.mass = 1825. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1825.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.78
       ret.steerRatio = 14.4 * 1.15   # 15% higher at the center seems reasonable
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_FORTE:
-      ret.mass = 2878. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2878. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.80
       ret.steerRatio = 13.75
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_CEED:
-      ret.mass = 1450. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1450.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.65
       ret.steerRatio = 13.75
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5
     elif candidate in (CAR.KIA_K5_2021, CAR.KIA_K5_HEV_2020):
-      ret.mass = 3381. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3381. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.85
       ret.steerRatio = 13.27  # 2021 Kia K5 Steering Ratio (all trims)
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_EV6:
-      ret.mass = 2055 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2055
       ret.wheelbase = 2.9
       ret.steerRatio = 16.
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.65
     elif candidate in (CAR.IONIQ_5, CAR.IONIQ_6):
-      ret.mass = 1948 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1948
       ret.wheelbase = 2.97
       ret.steerRatio = 14.26
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.65
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_SPORTAGE_HYBRID_5TH_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 1767. + STD_CARGO_KG  # SX Prestige trim support only
+      ret.mass = 1767.  # SX Prestige trim support only
       ret.wheelbase = 2.756
       ret.steerRatio = 13.6
     elif candidate in (CAR.KIA_SORENTO_4TH_GEN, CAR.KIA_SORENTO_PHEV_4TH_GEN):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.81
       ret.steerRatio = 13.5  # average of the platforms
       if candidate == CAR.KIA_SORENTO_4TH_GEN:
-        ret.mass = 3957 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+        ret.mass = 3957 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       else:
-        ret.mass = 4537 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+        ret.mass = 4537 * CV.LB_TO_KG
     elif candidate == CAR.KIA_CARNIVAL_4TH_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 2087. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2087.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.09
       ret.steerRatio = 14.23
 
     # Genesis
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_GV60_EV_1ST_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 2205 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2205
       ret.wheelbase = 2.9
       # https://www.motor1.com/reviews/586376/2023-genesis-gv60-first-drive/#:~:text=Relative%20to%20the%20related%20Ioniq,5%2FEV6%27s%2014.3%3A1.
       ret.steerRatio = 12.6
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_G70:
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.1
-      ret.mass = 1640.0 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1640.0
       ret.wheelbase = 2.84
       ret.steerRatio = 13.56
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_G70_2020:
-      ret.mass = 3673.0 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3673.0 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83
       ret.steerRatio = 12.9
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_GV70_1ST_GEN:
-      ret.mass = 1950. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1950.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.87
       ret.steerRatio = 14.6
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_G80:
-      ret.mass = 2060. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2060.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.01
       ret.steerRatio = 16.5
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_G90:
-      ret.mass = 2200. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2200.
       ret.wheelbase = 3.15
       ret.steerRatio = 12.069
     elif candidate == CAR.GENESIS_GV80:
-      ret.mass = 2258. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2258.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.95
       ret.steerRatio = 14.14
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/interfaces.py b/selfdrive/car/interfaces.py
index a7173018cd..a9966c2bb7 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/interfaces.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/interfaces.py
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
 from common.kalman.simple_kalman import KF1D
 from common.numpy_fast import clip
 from common.realtime import DT_CTRL
-from selfdrive.car import apply_hysteresis, gen_empty_fingerprint, scale_rot_inertia, scale_tire_stiffness
+from selfdrive.car import apply_hysteresis, gen_empty_fingerprint, scale_rot_inertia, scale_tire_stiffness, STD_CARGO_KG
 from selfdrive.controls.lib.drive_helpers import V_CRUISE_MAX, get_friction
 from selfdrive.controls.lib.events import Events
 from selfdrive.controls.lib.vehicle_model import VehicleModel
@@ -99,6 +99,10 @@ class CarInterfaceBase(ABC):
     ret = CarInterfaceBase.get_std_params(candidate)
     ret = cls._get_params(ret, candidate, fingerprint, car_fw, experimental_long, docs)
 
+    # Vehicle mass is published curb weight plus assumed payload such as a human driver; notCars have no assumed payload
+    if not ret.notCar:
+      ret.mass = ret.mass + STD_CARGO_KG
+
     # Set params dependent on values set by the car interface
     ret.rotationalInertia = scale_rot_inertia(ret.mass, ret.wheelbase)
     ret.tireStiffnessFront, ret.tireStiffnessRear = scale_tire_stiffness(ret.mass, ret.wheelbase, ret.centerToFront, ret.tireStiffnessFactor)
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/mazda/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/mazda/interface.py
index 1286b2aa32..cb89c4c448 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/mazda/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/mazda/interface.py
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
 from cereal import car
 from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
 from selfdrive.car.mazda.values import CAR, LKAS_LIMITS
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 
 ButtonType = car.CarState.ButtonEvent.Type
@@ -25,19 +25,19 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     if candidate in (CAR.CX5, CAR.CX5_2022):
-      ret.mass = 3655 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3655 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 15.5
     elif candidate in (CAR.CX9, CAR.CX9_2021):
-      ret.mass = 4217 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4217 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 3.1
       ret.steerRatio = 17.6
     elif candidate == CAR.MAZDA3:
-      ret.mass = 2875 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2875 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.7
       ret.steerRatio = 14.0
     elif candidate == CAR.MAZDA6:
-      ret.mass = 3443 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3443 * CV.LB_TO_KG
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83
       ret.steerRatio = 15.5
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/nissan/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/nissan/interface.py
index f26dea43af..423a1bf8de 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/nissan/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/nissan/interface.py
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python3
 from cereal import car
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 from selfdrive.car.nissan.values import CAR
 
@@ -22,17 +22,17 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     ret.radarUnavailable = True
 
     if candidate in (CAR.ROGUE, CAR.XTRAIL):
-      ret.mass = 1610 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1610
       ret.wheelbase = 2.705
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.44
     elif candidate in (CAR.LEAF, CAR.LEAF_IC):
-      ret.mass = 1610 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1610
       ret.wheelbase = 2.705
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.44
     elif candidate == CAR.ALTIMA:
       # Altima has EPS on C-CAN unlike the others that have it on V-CAN
       ret.safetyConfigs[0].safetyParam = 1 # EPS is on alternate bus
-      ret.mass = 1492 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1492
       ret.wheelbase = 2.824
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.44
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/subaru/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/subaru/interface.py
index 7b532a1b22..eab39420cc 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/subaru/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/subaru/interface.py
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python3
 from cereal import car
 from panda import Panda
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 from selfdrive.car.subaru.values import CAR, LKAS_ANGLE, GLOBAL_GEN2, PREGLOBAL_CARS, SubaruFlags
 
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     if candidate == CAR.ASCENT:
-      ret.mass = 2031. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2031.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.89
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 13.5
@@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.0025, 0.1], [0.00025, 0.01]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.IMPREZA:
-      ret.mass = 1568. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 15
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.2, 0.3], [0.02, 0.03]]
 
     elif candidate == CAR.IMPREZA_2020:
-      ret.mass = 1480. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1480.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 17           # learned, 14 stock
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.045, 0.042, 0.20], [0.04, 0.035, 0.045]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.FORESTER, CAR.FORESTER_2022):
-      ret.mass = 1568. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 17           # learned, 14 stock
@@ -79,7 +79,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.01, 0.065, 0.2], [0.001, 0.015, 0.025]]
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.OUTBACK, CAR.LEGACY, CAR.OUTBACK_2023):
-      ret.mass = 1568. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 17
@@ -87,20 +87,20 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.FORESTER_PREGLOBAL, CAR.OUTBACK_PREGLOBAL_2018):
       ret.safetyConfigs[0].safetyParam = 1  # Outback 2018-2019 and Forester have reversed driver torque signal
-      ret.mass = 1568 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 20           # learned, 14 stock
 
     elif candidate == CAR.LEGACY_PREGLOBAL:
-      ret.mass = 1568 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 12.5   # 14.5 stock
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.15
 
     elif candidate == CAR.OUTBACK_PREGLOBAL:
-      ret.mass = 1568 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1568
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 20           # learned, 14 stock
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/tesla/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/tesla/interface.py
index afd3fb3be4..209f00873a 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/tesla/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/tesla/interface.py
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
 from cereal import car
 from panda import Panda
 from selfdrive.car.tesla.values import CANBUS, CAR
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 
 
@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.25
 
     if candidate in (CAR.AP2_MODELS, CAR.AP1_MODELS):
-      ret.mass = 2100. + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2100.
       ret.wheelbase = 2.959
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.5
       ret.steerRatio = 15.0
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/toyota/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/toyota/interface.py
index efadc27246..6be01c1c0e 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/toyota/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/toyota/interface.py
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
 from panda import Panda
 from selfdrive.car.toyota.values import Ecu, CAR, DBC, ToyotaFlags, CarControllerParams, TSS2_CAR, RADAR_ACC_CAR, NO_DSU_CAR, \
                                         MIN_ACC_SPEED, EPS_SCALE, EV_HYBRID_CAR, UNSUPPORTED_DSU_CAR, NO_STOP_TIMER_CAR, ANGLE_CONTROL_CAR
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 
 EventName = car.CarEvent.EventName
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.70
       ret.steerRatio = 15.74   # unknown end-to-end spec
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.6371   # hand-tune
-      ret.mass = 3045. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3045. * CV.LB_TO_KG
       # Only give steer angle deadzone to for bad angle sensor prius
       for fw in car_fw:
         if fw.ecu == "eps" and not fw.fwVersion == b'8965B47060\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00':
@@ -61,20 +61,20 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.78
       ret.steerRatio = 17.4
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5533
-      ret.mass = 3340. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3340. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.RAV4, CAR.RAV4H):
       stop_and_go = True if (candidate in CAR.RAV4H) else False
       ret.wheelbase = 2.65
       ret.steerRatio = 16.88   # 14.5 is spec end-to-end
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5533
-      ret.mass = 3650. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
+      ret.mass = 3650. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
 
     elif candidate == CAR.COROLLA:
       ret.wheelbase = 2.70
       ret.steerRatio = 18.27
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444  # not optimized yet
-      ret.mass = 2860. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
+      ret.mass = 2860. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.LEXUS_RX, CAR.LEXUS_RXH, CAR.LEXUS_RX_TSS2, CAR.LEXUS_RXH_TSS2):
       stop_and_go = True
@@ -82,28 +82,28 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.steerRatio = 16.  # 14.8 is spec end-to-end
       ret.wheelSpeedFactor = 1.035
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.5533
-      ret.mass = 4481. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between min and max
+      ret.mass = 4481. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between min and max
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.CHR, CAR.CHRH, CAR.CHR_TSS2, CAR.CHRH_TSS2):
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.63906
       ret.steerRatio = 13.6
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.7933
-      ret.mass = 3300. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3300. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.CAMRY, CAR.CAMRYH, CAR.CAMRY_TSS2, CAR.CAMRYH_TSS2):
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.82448
       ret.steerRatio = 13.7
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.7933
-      ret.mass = 3400. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
+      ret.mass = 3400. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.HIGHLANDER, CAR.HIGHLANDERH, CAR.HIGHLANDER_TSS2, CAR.HIGHLANDERH_TSS2):
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.8194  # average of 109.8 and 112.2 in
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.8
-      ret.mass = 4516. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
+      ret.mass = 4516. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.AVALON, CAR.AVALON_2019, CAR.AVALONH_2019, CAR.AVALON_TSS2, CAR.AVALONH_TSS2):
       # starting from 2019, all Avalon variants have stop and go
@@ -112,14 +112,14 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.82
       ret.steerRatio = 14.8  # Found at https://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/2016+avalon+product+specs.download
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.7983
-      ret.mass = 3505. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
+      ret.mass = 3505. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between normal and hybrid
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.RAV4_TSS2, CAR.RAV4_TSS2_2022, CAR.RAV4H_TSS2, CAR.RAV4H_TSS2_2022,
                        CAR.RAV4_TSS2_2023, CAR.RAV4H_TSS2_2023):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.68986
       ret.steerRatio = 14.3
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.7933
-      ret.mass = 3585. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # Average between ICE and Hybrid
+      ret.mass = 3585. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # Average between ICE and Hybrid
       ret.lateralTuning.init('pid')
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiBP = [0.0]
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpBP = [0.0]
@@ -140,7 +140,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67  # Average between 2.70 for sedan and 2.64 for hatchback
       ret.steerRatio = 13.9
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444  # not optimized yet
-      ret.mass = 3060. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3060. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.LEXUS_ES, CAR.LEXUS_ESH, CAR.LEXUS_ES_TSS2, CAR.LEXUS_ESH_TSS2):
       if candidate not in (CAR.LEXUS_ES,):  # TODO: LEXUS_ES may have sng
@@ -148,53 +148,53 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.8702
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # not optimized
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444  # not optimized yet
-      ret.mass = 3677. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between min and max
+      ret.mass = 3677. * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between min and max
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SIENNA:
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 3.03
       ret.steerRatio = 15.5
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444
-      ret.mass = 4590. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4590. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.LEXUS_IS, CAR.LEXUS_IS_TSS2, CAR.LEXUS_RC):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.79908
       ret.steerRatio = 13.3
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444
-      ret.mass = 3736.8 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3736.8 * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate == CAR.LEXUS_CTH:
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.60
       ret.steerRatio = 18.6
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.517
-      ret.mass = 3108 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG  # mean between min and max
+      ret.mass = 3108 * CV.LB_TO_KG  # mean between min and max
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.LEXUS_NX, CAR.LEXUS_NXH, CAR.LEXUS_NX_TSS2, CAR.LEXUS_NXH_TSS2):
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
       ret.steerRatio = 14.7
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444  # not optimized yet
-      ret.mass = 4070 * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4070 * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate == CAR.PRIUS_TSS2:
       ret.wheelbase = 2.70002  # from toyota online sepc.
       ret.steerRatio = 13.4   # True steerRatio from older prius
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.6371   # hand-tune
-      ret.mass = 3115. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 3115. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate == CAR.MIRAI:
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.wheelbase = 2.91
       ret.steerRatio = 14.8
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.8
-      ret.mass = 4300. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4300. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     elif candidate in (CAR.ALPHARD_TSS2, CAR.ALPHARDH_TSS2):
       ret.wheelbase = 3.00
       ret.steerRatio = 14.2
       ret.tireStiffnessFactor = 0.444
-      ret.mass = 4305. * CV.LB_TO_KG + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 4305. * CV.LB_TO_KG
 
     ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.44
     ret.enableBsm = 0x3F6 in fingerprint[0] and candidate in TSS2_CAR
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/volkswagen/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/volkswagen/interface.py
index 2b0603f162..66b6239cb3 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/volkswagen/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/volkswagen/interface.py
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 from cereal import car
 from panda import Panda
 from common.conversions import Conversions as CV
-from selfdrive.car import STD_CARGO_KG, get_safety_config
+from selfdrive.car import get_safety_config
 from selfdrive.car.interfaces import CarInterfaceBase
 from selfdrive.car.volkswagen.values import CAR, PQ_CARS, CANBUS, NetworkLocation, TransmissionType, GearShifter
 
@@ -101,32 +101,32 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     # Per-chassis tuning values, override tuning defaults here if desired
 
     if candidate == CAR.ARTEON_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1733 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1733
       ret.wheelbase = 2.84
 
     elif candidate == CAR.ATLAS_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 2011 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2011
       ret.wheelbase = 2.98
 
     elif candidate == CAR.CRAFTER_MK2:
-      ret.mass = 2100 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 2100
       ret.wheelbase = 3.64  # SWB, LWB is 4.49, TBD how to detect difference
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 50 * CV.KPH_TO_MS
 
     elif candidate == CAR.GOLF_MK7:
-      ret.mass = 1397 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1397
       ret.wheelbase = 2.62
 
     elif candidate == CAR.JETTA_MK7:
-      ret.mass = 1328 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1328
       ret.wheelbase = 2.71
 
     elif candidate == CAR.PASSAT_MK8:
-      ret.mass = 1551 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1551
       ret.wheelbase = 2.79
 
     elif candidate == CAR.PASSAT_NMS:
-      ret.mass = 1503 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1503
       ret.wheelbase = 2.80
       ret.minEnableSpeed = 20 * CV.KPH_TO_MS  # ACC "basic", no FtS
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 50 * CV.KPH_TO_MS
@@ -134,86 +134,86 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       CarInterfaceBase.configure_torque_tune(candidate, ret.lateralTuning)
 
     elif candidate == CAR.POLO_MK6:
-      ret.mass = 1230 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1230
       ret.wheelbase = 2.55
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SHARAN_MK2:
-      ret.mass = 1639 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1639
       ret.wheelbase = 2.92
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 50 * CV.KPH_TO_MS
       ret.steerActuatorDelay = 0.2
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TAOS_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1498 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1498
       ret.wheelbase = 2.69
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TCROSS_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1150 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1150
       ret.wheelbase = 2.60
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TIGUAN_MK2:
-      ret.mass = 1715 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1715
       ret.wheelbase = 2.74
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TOURAN_MK2:
-      ret.mass = 1516 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1516
       ret.wheelbase = 2.79
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TRANSPORTER_T61:
-      ret.mass = 1926 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1926
       ret.wheelbase = 3.00  # SWB, LWB is 3.40, TBD how to detect difference
       ret.minSteerSpeed = 14.0
 
     elif candidate == CAR.TROC_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1413 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1413
       ret.wheelbase = 2.63
 
     elif candidate == CAR.AUDI_A3_MK3:
-      ret.mass = 1335 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1335
       ret.wheelbase = 2.61
 
     elif candidate == CAR.AUDI_Q2_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1205 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1205
       ret.wheelbase = 2.61
 
     elif candidate == CAR.AUDI_Q3_MK2:
-      ret.mass = 1623 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1623
       ret.wheelbase = 2.68
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SEAT_ATECA_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1900 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1900
       ret.wheelbase = 2.64
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SEAT_LEON_MK3:
-      ret.mass = 1227 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1227
       ret.wheelbase = 2.64
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_FABIA_MK4:
-      ret.mass = 1266 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1266
       ret.wheelbase = 2.56
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_KAMIQ_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1265 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1265
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_KAROQ_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1278 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1278
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_KODIAQ_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1569 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1569
       ret.wheelbase = 2.79
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_OCTAVIA_MK3:
-      ret.mass = 1388 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1388
       ret.wheelbase = 2.68
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_SCALA_MK1:
-      ret.mass = 1192 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1192
       ret.wheelbase = 2.65
 
     elif candidate == CAR.SKODA_SUPERB_MK3:
-      ret.mass = 1505 + STD_CARGO_KG
+      ret.mass = 1505
       ret.wheelbase = 2.84
 
     else: