diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.cc b/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.cc
index 7ac2948861..b45ad874a6 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.cc
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.cc
@@ -5,8 +5,7 @@ VideoEncoder::~VideoEncoder() {}
 
 void VideoEncoder::publisher_init() {
   // publish
-  service_name = this->publish_name;
-  pm.reset(new PubMaster({service_name}));
+  pm.reset(new PubMaster({encoder_info.publish_name}));
 }
 
 void VideoEncoder::publisher_publish(VideoEncoder *e, int segment_num, uint32_t idx, VisionIpcBufExtra &extra,
@@ -14,9 +13,7 @@ void VideoEncoder::publisher_publish(VideoEncoder *e, int segment_num, uint32_t
   // broadcast packet
   MessageBuilder msg;
   auto event = msg.initEvent(true);
-  auto edat = (e->type == DriverCam) ? event.initDriverEncodeData() :
-    ((e->type == WideRoadCam) ? event.initWideRoadEncodeData() :
-    (e->in_width == e->out_width ? event.initRoadEncodeData() : event.initQRoadEncodeData()));
+  auto edat = (event.*(e->encoder_info.init_encode_data_func))();
   auto edata = edat.initIdx();
   struct timespec ts;
   timespec_get(&ts, TIME_UTC);
@@ -24,7 +21,7 @@ void VideoEncoder::publisher_publish(VideoEncoder *e, int segment_num, uint32_t
   edata.setFrameId(extra.frame_id);
   edata.setTimestampSof(extra.timestamp_sof);
   edata.setTimestampEof(extra.timestamp_eof);
-  edata.setType(e->codec);
+  edata.setType(e->encoder_info.encode_type);
   edata.setEncodeId(e->cnt++);
   edata.setSegmentNum(segment_num);
   edata.setSegmentId(idx);
@@ -35,6 +32,6 @@ void VideoEncoder::publisher_publish(VideoEncoder *e, int segment_num, uint32_t
 
   auto words = new kj::Array<capnp::word>(capnp::messageToFlatArray(msg));
   auto bytes = words->asBytes();
-  e->pm->send(e->service_name, bytes.begin(), bytes.size());
+  e->pm->send(e->encoder_info.publish_name, bytes.begin(), bytes.size());
   delete words;
 }
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h b/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h
index 9ea6b884cf..d88274be84 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h
@@ -8,17 +8,14 @@
 #include "cereal/visionipc/visionipc.h"
 #include "common/queue.h"
 #include "system/camerad/cameras/camera_common.h"
+#include "system/loggerd/loggerd.h"
 
 #define V4L2_BUF_FLAG_KEYFRAME 8
 
 class VideoEncoder {
 public:
-  VideoEncoder(const char* filename, CameraType type, int in_width, int in_height, int fps,
-              int bitrate, cereal::EncodeIndex::Type codec, int out_width, int out_height,
-              const char* publish_name)
-  : filename(filename), type(type), in_width(in_width), in_height(in_height), fps(fps),
-    bitrate(bitrate), codec(codec), out_width(out_width), out_height(out_height),
-    publish_name(publish_name) { }
+  VideoEncoder(const EncoderInfo &encoder_info, int in_width, int in_height)
+     : encoder_info(encoder_info), in_width(in_width), in_height(in_height) {}
   virtual ~VideoEncoder();
   virtual int encode_frame(VisionBuf* buf, VisionIpcBufExtra *extra) = 0;
   virtual void encoder_open(const char* path) = 0;
@@ -29,13 +26,8 @@ public:
 
 
 protected:
-  const char* filename;
-  const char* publish_name;
   int in_width, in_height;
-  int out_width, out_height, fps;
-  int bitrate;
-  cereal::EncodeIndex::Type codec;
-  CameraType type;
+  const EncoderInfo encoder_info;
 
 private:
   // total frames encoded
@@ -43,5 +35,4 @@ private:
 
   // publishing
   std::unique_ptr<PubMaster> pm;
-  const char *service_name;
 };
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.cc b/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.cc
index af05b5df97..198216114a 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.cc
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.cc
@@ -28,16 +28,16 @@ void FfmpegEncoder::encoder_init() {
   frame = av_frame_alloc();
   assert(frame);
   frame->format = AV_PIX_FMT_YUV420P;
-  frame->width = out_width;
-  frame->height = out_height;
-  frame->linesize[0] = out_width;
-  frame->linesize[1] = out_width/2;
-  frame->linesize[2] = out_width/2;
+  frame->width = encoder_info.frame_width;
+  frame->height = encoder_info.frame_height;
+  frame->linesize[0] = encoder_info.frame_width;
+  frame->linesize[1] = encoder_info.frame_width/2;
+  frame->linesize[2] = encoder_info.frame_width/2;
 
   convert_buf.resize(in_width * in_height * 3 / 2);
 
-  if (in_width != out_width || in_height != out_height) {
-    downscale_buf.resize(out_width * out_height * 3 / 2);
+  if (in_width != encoder_info.frame_width || in_height != encoder_info.frame_height) {
+    downscale_buf.resize(encoder_info.frame_width * encoder_info.frame_height * 3 / 2);
   }
 
   publisher_init();
@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ void FfmpegEncoder::encoder_open(const char* path) {
   this->codec_ctx->width = frame->width;
   this->codec_ctx->height = frame->height;
   this->codec_ctx->pix_fmt = AV_PIX_FMT_YUV420P;
-  this->codec_ctx->time_base = (AVRational){ 1, fps };
+  this->codec_ctx->time_base = (AVRational){ 1, encoder_info.fps };
   int err = avcodec_open2(this->codec_ctx, codec, NULL);
   assert(err >= 0);
 
@@ -136,7 +136,7 @@ int FfmpegEncoder::encode_frame(VisionBuf* buf, VisionIpcBufExtra *extra) {
     }
 
     if (env_debug_encoder) {
-      printf("%20s got %8d bytes flags %8x idx %4d id %8d\n", this->filename, pkt.size, pkt.flags, counter, extra->frame_id);
+      printf("%20s got %8d bytes flags %8x idx %4d id %8d\n", encoder_info.filename, pkt.size, pkt.flags, counter, extra->frame_id);
     }
 
     publisher_publish(this, segment_num, counter, *extra,
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h b/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h
index 6b4b6e104c..d3ba18e52c 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h
@@ -15,12 +15,9 @@ extern "C" {
 #include "system/loggerd/loggerd.h"
 
 class FfmpegEncoder : public VideoEncoder {
- public:
-  FfmpegEncoder(const char* filename, CameraType type, int in_width, int in_height, int fps,
-
-                int bitrate, cereal::EncodeIndex::Type codec, int out_width, int out_height,
-                const char* publish_name) :
-                VideoEncoder(filename, type, in_width, in_height, fps, bitrate, cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::BIG_BOX_LOSSLESS, out_width, out_height, publish_name) { encoder_init(); }
+public:
+  FfmpegEncoder(const EncoderInfo &encoder_info, int in_width, int in_height)
+      : VideoEncoder(encoder_info, in_width, in_height) { encoder_init(); }
   ~FfmpegEncoder();
   void encoder_init();
   int encode_frame(VisionBuf* buf, VisionIpcBufExtra *extra);
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.cc b/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.cc
index 20ae4b7370..53fb93d834 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.cc
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.cc
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ static void request_buffers(int fd, v4l2_buf_type buf_type, unsigned int count)
 }
 
 void V4LEncoder::dequeue_handler(V4LEncoder *e) {
-  std::string dequeue_thread_name = "dq-"+std::string(e->filename);
+  std::string dequeue_thread_name = "dq-"+std::string(e->encoder_info.filename);
   util::set_thread_name(dequeue_thread_name.c_str());
 
   e->segment_num++;
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@ void V4LEncoder::dequeue_handler(V4LEncoder *e) {
     if (!rc) { LOGE("encoder dequeue poll timeout"); continue; }
 
     if (env_debug_encoder >= 2) {
-      printf("%20s poll %x at %.2f ms\n", e->filename, pfd.revents, millis_since_boot());
+      printf("%20s poll %x at %.2f ms\n", e->encoder_info.filename, pfd.revents, millis_since_boot());
     }
 
     int frame_id = -1;
@@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ void V4LEncoder::dequeue_handler(V4LEncoder *e) {
 
       if (env_debug_encoder) {
         printf("%20s got(%d) %6d bytes flags %8x idx %3d/%4d id %8d ts %ld lat %.2f ms (%lu frames free)\n",
-          e->filename, index, bytesused, flags, e->segment_num, idx, frame_id, ts, millis_since_boot()-(ts/1000.), e->free_buf_in.size());
+          e->encoder_info.filename, index, bytesused, flags, e->segment_num, idx, frame_id, ts, millis_since_boot()-(ts/1000.), e->free_buf_in.size());
       }
 
       // requeue the buffer
@@ -146,9 +146,9 @@ void V4LEncoder::encoder_init() {
     .fmt = {
       .pix_mp = {
         // downscales are free with v4l
-        .width = (unsigned int)out_width,
-        .height = (unsigned int)out_height,
-        .pixelformat = (codec == cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C) ? V4L2_PIX_FMT_HEVC : V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264,
+        .width = (unsigned int)encoder_info.frame_width,
+        .height = (unsigned int)encoder_info.frame_height,
+        .pixelformat = (encoder_info.encode_type == cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C) ? V4L2_PIX_FMT_HEVC : V4L2_PIX_FMT_H264,
         .field = V4L2_FIELD_ANY,
         .colorspace = V4L2_COLORSPACE_DEFAULT,
       }
@@ -192,7 +192,7 @@ void V4LEncoder::encoder_init() {
   {
     struct v4l2_control ctrls[] = {
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_HEADER_MODE, .value = V4L2_MPEG_VIDEO_HEADER_MODE_SEPARATE},
-      { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_BITRATE, .value = bitrate},
+      { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDEO_BITRATE, .value = encoder_info.bitrate},
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_RATE_CONTROL, .value = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_RATE_CONTROL_VBR_CFR},
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_PRIORITY, .value = V4L2_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_PRIORITY_REALTIME_DISABLE},
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_IDR_PERIOD, .value = 1},
@@ -202,7 +202,7 @@ void V4LEncoder::encoder_init() {
     }
   }
 
-  if (codec == cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C) {
+  if (encoder_info.encode_type == cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C) {
     struct v4l2_control ctrls[] = {
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_HEVC_PROFILE, .value = V4L2_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_HEVC_PROFILE_MAIN},
       { .id = V4L2_CID_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_HEVC_TIER_LEVEL, .value = V4L2_MPEG_VIDC_VIDEO_HEVC_LEVEL_HIGH_TIER_LEVEL_5},
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h b/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h
index b0af4039fe..bd27838b89 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h
@@ -8,9 +8,8 @@
 
 class V4LEncoder : public VideoEncoder {
 public:
-  V4LEncoder(const char* filename, CameraType type, int in_width, int in_height, int fps,
-             int bitrate, cereal::EncodeIndex::Type codec, int out_width, int out_height, const char* publish_name) :
-             VideoEncoder(filename, type, in_width, in_height, fps, bitrate, codec, out_width, out_height, publish_name) { encoder_init(); }
+  V4LEncoder(const EncoderInfo &encoder_info, int in_width, int in_height)
+     : VideoEncoder(encoder_info, in_width, in_height) { encoder_init(); }
   ~V4LEncoder();
   void encoder_init();
   int encode_frame(VisionBuf* buf, VisionIpcBufExtra *extra);
diff --git a/system/loggerd/encoderd.cc b/system/loggerd/encoderd.cc
index b4f0b913e5..877fbac452 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/encoderd.cc
+++ b/system/loggerd/encoderd.cc
@@ -1,5 +1,13 @@
 #include "system/loggerd/loggerd.h"
 
+#ifdef QCOM2
+#include "system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h"
+#define Encoder V4LEncoder
+#else
+#include "system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h"
+#define Encoder FfmpegEncoder
+#endif
+
 ExitHandler do_exit;
 
 struct EncoderdState {
@@ -54,11 +62,7 @@ void encoder_thread(EncoderdState *s, const LogCameraInfo &cam_info) {
 
       if (buf_info.width > 0 && buf_info.height > 0) {
         for (const auto &encoder_info: cam_info.encoder_infos){
-          encoders.push_back(new Encoder(encoder_info.filename, cam_info.type, buf_info.width, buf_info.height,
-                                        encoder_info.fps, encoder_info.bitrate,
-                                        encoder_info.encode_type,
-                                        encoder_info.frame_width, encoder_info.frame_height,
-                                        encoder_info.publish_name));
+          encoders.push_back(new Encoder(encoder_info, buf_info.width, buf_info.height));
         }
       } else {
         LOGE("not initting empty encoder");
diff --git a/system/loggerd/loggerd.cc b/system/loggerd/loggerd.cc
index af526ccb41..d1d9596e02 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/loggerd.cc
+++ b/system/loggerd/loggerd.cc
@@ -1,3 +1,6 @@
+#include <unordered_map>
+
+#include "system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h"
 #include "system/loggerd/loggerd.h"
 #include "system/loggerd/video_writer.h"
 
diff --git a/system/loggerd/loggerd.h b/system/loggerd/loggerd.h
index 579b079dbb..0226e631d5 100644
--- a/system/loggerd/loggerd.h
+++ b/system/loggerd/loggerd.h
@@ -1,42 +1,25 @@
 #pragma once
 
-#include <unistd.h>
-
-#include <atomic>
-#include <cassert>
-#include <cerrno>
-#include <condition_variable>
-#include <mutex>
-#include <string>
-#include <thread>
-#include <unordered_map>
-#include <utility>
-
 #include "cereal/messaging/messaging.h"
 #include "cereal/services.h"
-#include "cereal/visionipc/visionipc.h"
 #include "cereal/visionipc/visionipc_client.h"
 #include "system/camerad/cameras/camera_common.h"
+#include "system/hardware/hw.h"
 #include "common/params.h"
 #include "common/swaglog.h"
-#include "common/timing.h"
 #include "common/util.h"
-#include "system/hardware/hw.h"
 
-#include "system/loggerd/encoder/encoder.h"
 #include "system/loggerd/logger.h"
-#ifdef QCOM2
-#include "system/loggerd/encoder/v4l_encoder.h"
-#define Encoder V4LEncoder
-#else
-#include "system/loggerd/encoder/ffmpeg_encoder.h"
-#define Encoder FfmpegEncoder
-#endif
 
 constexpr int MAIN_FPS = 20;
 const int MAIN_BITRATE = 10000000;
 
-#define NO_CAMERA_PATIENCE 500 // fall back to time-based rotation if all cameras are dead
+#define NO_CAMERA_PATIENCE 500  // fall back to time-based rotation if all cameras are dead
+
+#define INIT_ENCODE_FUNCTIONS(encode_type)                                \
+  .get_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Reader::get##encode_type##Data, \
+  .set_encode_idx_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::set##encode_type##Idx,  \
+  .init_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::init##encode_type##Data
 
 const bool LOGGERD_TEST = getenv("LOGGERD_TEST");
 const int SEGMENT_LENGTH = LOGGERD_TEST ? atoi(getenv("LOGGERD_SEGMENT_LENGTH")) : 60;
@@ -50,9 +33,11 @@ public:
   int frame_height = 1208;
   int fps = MAIN_FPS;
   int bitrate = MAIN_BITRATE;
-  cereal::EncodeIndex::Type encode_type = cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C;
+  cereal::EncodeIndex::Type encode_type = Hardware::PC() ? cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::BIG_BOX_LOSSLESS
+                                                         : cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::FULL_H_E_V_C;
   ::cereal::EncodeData::Reader (cereal::Event::Reader::*get_encode_data_func)() const;
   void (cereal::Event::Builder::*set_encode_idx_func)(::cereal::EncodeIndex::Reader);
+  cereal::EncodeData::Builder (cereal::Event::Builder::*init_encode_data_func)();
 };
 
 class LogCameraInfo {
@@ -67,21 +52,18 @@ public:
 const EncoderInfo main_road_encoder_info = {
   .publish_name = "roadEncodeData",
   .filename = "fcamera.hevc",
-  .get_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Reader::getRoadEncodeData,
-  .set_encode_idx_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::setRoadEncodeIdx,
+  INIT_ENCODE_FUNCTIONS(RoadEncode),
 };
 const EncoderInfo main_wide_road_encoder_info = {
   .publish_name = "wideRoadEncodeData",
   .filename = "ecamera.hevc",
-  .get_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Reader::getWideRoadEncodeData,
-  .set_encode_idx_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::setWideRoadEncodeIdx,
+  INIT_ENCODE_FUNCTIONS(WideRoadEncode),
 };
 const EncoderInfo main_driver_encoder_info = {
    .publish_name = "driverEncodeData",
   .filename = "dcamera.hevc",
   .record = Params().getBool("RecordFront"),
-  .get_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Reader::getDriverEncodeData,
-  .set_encode_idx_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::setDriverEncodeIdx,
+  INIT_ENCODE_FUNCTIONS(DriverEncode),
 };
 
 const EncoderInfo qcam_encoder_info = {
@@ -91,8 +73,7 @@ const EncoderInfo qcam_encoder_info = {
   .encode_type = cereal::EncodeIndex::Type::QCAMERA_H264,
   .frame_width = 526,
   .frame_height = 330,
-  .get_encode_data_func = &cereal::Event::Reader::getQRoadEncodeData,
-  .set_encode_idx_func = &cereal::Event::Builder::setQRoadEncodeIdx,
+  INIT_ENCODE_FUNCTIONS(QRoadEncode),
 };
 
 
@@ -109,7 +90,7 @@ const LogCameraInfo wide_road_camera_info{
     .stream_type = VISION_STREAM_WIDE_ROAD,
    .encoder_infos = {main_wide_road_encoder_info}
     };
-  
+
 const LogCameraInfo driver_camera_info{
     .thread_name = "driver_cam_encoder",
     .type = DriverCam,
@@ -118,4 +99,3 @@ const LogCameraInfo driver_camera_info{
     };
 
 const LogCameraInfo cameras_logged[] = {road_camera_info, wide_road_camera_info, driver_camera_info};
-