diff --git a/selfdrive/car/fw_versions.py b/selfdrive/car/fw_versions.py
index 9c0c406f14..bf88e77db5 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/fw_versions.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/fw_versions.py
@@ -1,5 +1,4 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python3
-import traceback
 from collections import defaultdict
 from typing import Any, Optional, Set, Tuple
 from tqdm import tqdm
@@ -270,7 +269,7 @@ def get_fw_versions(logcan, sendcan, query_brand=None, extra=None, timeout=0.1,
 
               car_fw.append(f)
         except Exception:
-          cloudlog.warning(f"FW query exception: {traceback.format_exc()}")
+          cloudlog.exception("FW query exception")
 
   return car_fw
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/vin.py b/selfdrive/car/vin.py
index fba0c54eba..909322f9c9 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/vin.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/vin.py
@@ -1,6 +1,5 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python3
 import re
-import traceback
 
 import cereal.messaging as messaging
 from selfdrive.car.isotp_parallel_query import IsoTpParallelQuery
@@ -28,9 +27,9 @@ def get_vin(logcan, sendcan, bus, timeout=0.1, retry=5, debug=False):
             vin = vin[1:18]
 
           return addr[0], rx_addr, vin.decode()
-        print(f"vin query retry ({i+1}) ...")
+        cloudlog.error(f"vin query retry ({i+1}) ...")
       except Exception:
-        cloudlog.warning(f"VIN query exception: {traceback.format_exc()}")
+        cloudlog.exception("VIN query exception")
 
   return 0, 0, VIN_UNKNOWN