diff --git a/selfdrive/car/honda/carcontroller.py b/selfdrive/car/honda/carcontroller.py
index 4b5354c47c..26ad2e655e 100644
--- a/selfdrive/car/honda/carcontroller.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/honda/carcontroller.py
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ from collections import namedtuple
 from cereal import car
 from common.realtime import DT_CTRL
 from selfdrive.controls.lib.drive_helpers import rate_limit
-from common.numpy_fast import clip
+from common.numpy_fast import clip, interp
 from selfdrive.car import create_gas_command
 from selfdrive.car.honda import hondacan
 from selfdrive.car.honda.values import CruiseButtons, CAR, VISUAL_HUD
@@ -74,6 +74,15 @@ HUDData = namedtuple("HUDData",
                      ["pcm_accel", "v_cruise",  "car",
                      "lanes", "fcw", "acc_alert", "steer_required"])
 
+class CarControllerParams():
+  def __init__(self, CP):
+      self.BRAKE_MAX = 1024//4
+      self.STEER_MAX = CP.lateralParams.torqueBP[-1]
+      # mirror of list (assuming first item is zero) for interp of signed request values
+      assert(CP.lateralParams.torqueBP[0] == 0)
+      assert(CP.lateralParams.torqueBP[0] == 0)
+      self.STEER_LOOKUP_BP = [v * -1 for v in CP.lateralParams.torqueBP][1:][::-1] + list(CP.lateralParams.torqueBP)
+      self.STEER_LOOKUP_V = [v * -1 for v in CP.lateralParams.torqueV][1:][::-1] + list(CP.lateralParams.torqueV)
 
 class CarController():
   def __init__(self, dbc_name, CP):
@@ -84,16 +93,15 @@ class CarController():
     self.last_pump_ts = 0.
     self.packer = CANPacker(dbc_name)
     self.new_radar_config = False
-    self.eps_modified = False
-    for fw in CP.carFw:
-      if fw.ecu == "eps" and b"," in fw.fwVersion:
-        print("EPS FW MODIFIED!")
-        self.eps_modified = True
+
+    self.params = CarControllerParams(CP)
 
   def update(self, enabled, CS, frame, actuators, \
              pcm_speed, pcm_override, pcm_cancel_cmd, pcm_accel, \
              hud_v_cruise, hud_show_lanes, hud_show_car, hud_alert):
 
+    P = self.params
+
     # *** apply brake hysteresis ***
     brake, self.braking, self.brake_steady = actuator_hystereses(actuators.brake, self.braking, self.brake_steady, CS.out.vEgo, CS.CP.carFingerprint)
 
@@ -126,29 +134,10 @@ class CarController():
 
     # **** process the car messages ****
 
-    # *** compute control surfaces ***
-    BRAKE_MAX = 1024//4
-    if CS.CP.carFingerprint in (CAR.ACURA_ILX):
-      STEER_MAX = 0xF00
-    elif CS.CP.carFingerprint in (CAR.CRV, CAR.ACURA_RDX):
-      STEER_MAX = 0x3e8  # CR-V only uses 12-bits and requires a lower value
-    elif CS.CP.carFingerprint in (CAR.ODYSSEY_CHN):
-      STEER_MAX = 0x7FFF
-    elif CS.CP.carFingerprint in (CAR.CIVIC) and self.eps_modified:
-      STEER_MAX = 0x1400
-    else:
-      STEER_MAX = 0x1000
-
     # steer torque is converted back to CAN reference (positive when steering right)
     apply_gas = clip(actuators.gas, 0., 1.)
-    apply_brake = int(clip(self.brake_last * BRAKE_MAX, 0, BRAKE_MAX - 1))
-    apply_steer = int(clip(-actuators.steer * STEER_MAX, -STEER_MAX, STEER_MAX))
-
-    if CS.CP.carFingerprint in (CAR.CIVIC) and self.eps_modified:
-      if apply_steer > 0xA00:
-        apply_steer = (apply_steer - 0xA00) / 2 + 0xA00
-      elif apply_steer < -0xA00:
-        apply_steer = (apply_steer + 0xA00) / 2 - 0xA00
+    apply_brake = int(clip(self.brake_last * P.BRAKE_MAX, 0, P.BRAKE_MAX - 1))
+    apply_steer = int(interp(-actuators.steer * P.STEER_MAX, P.STEER_LOOKUP_BP, P.STEER_LOOKUP_V))
 
     lkas_active = enabled and not CS.steer_not_allowed
 
diff --git a/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py b/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
index 92224ff287..9665b6c702 100755
--- a/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
+++ b/selfdrive/car/honda/interface.py
@@ -161,6 +161,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
     # Tire stiffness factor fictitiously lower if it includes the steering column torsion effect.
     # For modeling details, see p.198-200 in "The Science of Vehicle Dynamics (2014), M. Guiggiani"
 
+    ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0], [0]]
     ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiBP, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpBP = [[0.], [0.]]
     ret.lateralTuning.pid.kf = 0.00006 # conservative feed-forward
 
@@ -169,16 +170,40 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       if fw.ecu == "eps" and b"," in fw.fwVersion:
         eps_modified = True
 
-    if candidate in [CAR.CIVIC, CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH]:
+    if candidate == CAR.CIVIC:
       stop_and_go = True
       ret.mass = CivicParams.MASS
       ret.wheelbase = CivicParams.WHEELBASE
       ret.centerToFront = CivicParams.CENTER_TO_FRONT
       ret.steerRatio = 15.38  # 10.93 is end-to-end spec
+      if eps_modified:
+        # stock request input values:     0x0000, 0x00DE, 0x014D, 0x01EF, 0x0290, 0x0377, 0x0454, 0x0610, 0x06EE
+        # stock request output values:    0x0000, 0x0917, 0x0DC5, 0x1017, 0x119F, 0x140B, 0x1680, 0x1680, 0x1680
+        # modified request output values: 0x0000, 0x0917, 0x0DC5, 0x1017, 0x119F, 0x140B, 0x1680, 0x2880, 0x3180
+        # stock filter output values:     0x009F, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108
+        # modified filter output values:  0x009F, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0108, 0x0400, 0x0480
+        # note: max request allowed is 4096, but request is capped at 3840 in firmware, so modifications result in 2x max
+        ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 2560, 8000], [0, 2560, 3840]]
+        ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.3], [0.1]]
+      else:
+        ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 2560], [0, 2560]]
+        ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[1.1], [0.33]]
       tire_stiffness_factor = 1.
 
-      ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.4], [0.12]] if eps_modified else [[0.8], [0.24]]
-      ret.lateralTuning.pid.kf = 0.00006
+      ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
+      ret.longitudinalTuning.kpV = [3.6, 2.4, 1.5]
+      ret.longitudinalTuning.kiBP = [0., 35.]
+      ret.longitudinalTuning.kiV = [0.54, 0.36]
+
+    elif candidate == CAR.CIVIC_BOSCH:
+      stop_and_go = True
+      ret.mass = CivicParams.MASS
+      ret.wheelbase = CivicParams.WHEELBASE
+      ret.centerToFront = CivicParams.CENTER_TO_FRONT
+      ret.steerRatio = 15.38  # 10.93 is end-to-end spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
+      tire_stiffness_factor = 1.
+      ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpV = [3.6, 2.4, 1.5]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kiBP = [0., 35.]
@@ -192,6 +217,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.83
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
       ret.steerRatio = 16.33  # 11.82 is spec end-to-end
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.8467
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.6], [0.18]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -205,6 +231,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.67
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.37
       ret.steerRatio = 18.61  # 15.3 is spec end-to-end
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 3840], [0, 3840]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.72
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -218,6 +245,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.62
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.89  # as spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 1000], [0, 1000]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.444
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -232,8 +260,16 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # 12.3 is spec end-to-end
+      if eps_modified:
+        # stock request input values:     0x0000, 0x00DB, 0x01BB, 0x0296, 0x0377, 0x0454, 0x0532, 0x0610, 0x067F
+        # stock request output values:    0x0000, 0x0500, 0x0A15, 0x0E6D, 0x1100, 0x1200, 0x129A, 0x134D, 0x1400
+        # modified request output values: 0x0000, 0x0500, 0x0A15, 0x0E6D, 0x1100, 0x1200, 0x1ACD, 0x239A, 0x2800
+        ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 2560, 10000], [0, 2560, 3840]]
+        ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.3], [0.1]]
+      else:
+        ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 3840], [0, 3840]]
+        ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.64], [0.192]]
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.677
-      ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.6], [0.18]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpV = [1.2, 0.8, 0.5]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kiBP = [0., 35.]
@@ -246,6 +282,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.66
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 16.0  # 12.3 is spec end-to-end
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.677
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.6], [0.18]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -259,6 +296,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.53
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.39
       ret.steerRatio = 13.06
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.75
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.25], [0.06]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -272,6 +310,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.68
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.38
       ret.steerRatio = 15.0  # as spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 1000], [0, 1000]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.444
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.8], [0.24]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -285,6 +324,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 3.00
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 14.35  # as spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.82
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.45], [0.135]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -298,6 +338,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.90
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41  # from CAR.ODYSSEY
       ret.steerRatio = 14.35
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 32767], [0, 32767]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.82
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.45], [0.135]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -311,6 +352,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 2.82
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.428
       ret.steerRatio = 17.25  # as spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.444
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.38], [0.11]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
@@ -324,6 +366,7 @@ class CarInterface(CarInterfaceBase):
       ret.wheelbase = 3.18
       ret.centerToFront = ret.wheelbase * 0.41
       ret.steerRatio = 15.59  # as spec
+      ret.lateralParams.torqueBP, ret.lateralParams.torqueV = [[0, 4096], [0, 4096]] # TODO: determine if there is a dead zone at the top end
       tire_stiffness_factor = 0.444
       ret.lateralTuning.pid.kpV, ret.lateralTuning.pid.kiV = [[0.38], [0.11]]
       ret.longitudinalTuning.kpBP = [0., 5., 35.]
diff --git a/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_steering_accuracy.py b/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_steering_accuracy.py
new file mode 100755
index 0000000000..83f297bcb7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_steering_accuracy.py
@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+#!/usr/bin/env python3
+import os
+import argparse
+import signal
+from collections import deque, defaultdict
+from statistics import mean
+
+import cereal.messaging as messaging
+
+def sigint_handler(signal, frame):
+  print("handler!")
+  exit(0)
+signal.signal(signal.SIGINT, sigint_handler)
+
+if __name__ == "__main__":
+
+  parser = argparse.ArgumentParser(description='Sniff a communcation socket')
+  parser.add_argument('--addr', default='127.0.0.1')
+  args = parser.parse_args()
+
+  if args.addr != "127.0.0.1":
+    os.environ["ZMQ"] = "1"
+    messaging.context = messaging.Context()
+
+  carControl = messaging.sub_sock('carControl', addr=args.addr, conflate=True)
+  sm = messaging.SubMaster(['carState', 'carControl', 'controlsState'], addr=args.addr)
+
+  msg_cnt = 0
+  stats = defaultdict(lambda: {'err': 0, "cnt": 0, "=": 0, "+": 0, "-": 0})
+  cnt = 0
+  total_error = 0
+  
+  while messaging.recv_one(carControl):
+    sm.update()
+    msg_cnt += 1
+
+    actual_speed = sm['carState'].vEgo
+    enabled = sm['controlsState'].enabled
+    steer_override = sm['controlsState'].steerOverride
+
+    # must be above 10 m/s, engaged and not overriding steering
+    if actual_speed > 10.0 and enabled and not steer_override:
+      cnt += 1
+
+      # wait 5 seconds after engage/override
+      if cnt >= 500:
+        # calculate error before rounding
+        actual_angle = sm['controlsState'].angleSteers
+        desired_angle = sm['carControl'].actuators.steerAngle
+        angle_error = abs(desired_angle - actual_angle)
+
+        # round numbers
+        actual_angle = round(actual_angle, 1)
+        desired_angle = round(desired_angle, 1)
+        angle_error = round(angle_error, 2)
+        angle_abs = int(abs(round(desired_angle, 0)))
+
+        # collect stats
+        stats[angle_abs]["err"] += angle_error
+        stats[angle_abs]["cnt"] += 1
+        if actual_angle == desired_angle:
+          stats[angle_abs]["="] += 1
+        else:
+          if desired_angle == 0.:
+            overshoot = True
+          else:
+            overshoot = desired_angle < actual_angle if desired_angle > 0. else desired_angle > actual_angle
+          stats[angle_abs]["+" if overshoot else "-"] += 1
+    else:
+      cnt = 0
+
+    if msg_cnt % 100 == 0:
+      print(chr(27) + "[2J")
+      if cnt != 0:
+        print("COLLECTING ...")
+      else:
+        print("DISABLED (speed too low, not engaged, or steer override)")
+      for k in sorted(stats.keys()):
+        v = stats[k]
+        print(f'angle: {k:#2} | error: {round(v["err"] / v["cnt"], 2):2.2f} | =:{int(v["="] / v["cnt"] * 100):#3}% | +:{int(v["+"] / v["cnt"] * 100):#4}% | -:{int(v["-"] / v["cnt"] * 100):#3}% | count: {v["cnt"]:#4}')
diff --git a/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_torque_time_to_max.py b/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_torque_time_to_max.py
index 65f13afc84..a7d450ede9 100755
--- a/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_torque_time_to_max.py
+++ b/selfdrive/debug/internal/measure_torque_time_to_max.py
@@ -3,6 +3,8 @@ import os
 import sys
 import argparse
 import struct
+from collections import deque
+from statistics import mean
 
 from cereal import log
 import cereal.messaging as messaging
@@ -26,7 +28,7 @@ if __name__ == "__main__":
   start_v = 0
   max_v = 0
   max_t = 0
-  window = [0] * 10
+  window = deque(maxlen=10)
   avg = 0
   while 1:
     polld = poller.poll(1000)
@@ -49,8 +51,7 @@ if __name__ == "__main__":
         if item.address == 0x1ab and item.src == 0:
           motor_torque = ((item.dat[0] & 0x3) << 8) + item.dat[1]
           window.append(motor_torque)
-          window.pop(0)
-          avg = sum(window) / len(window)
+          avg = mean(window)
           #print(f'{evt.logMonoTime}: {avg}')
           if active and avg > max_v + 0.5:
             max_v = avg
diff --git a/selfdrive/test/process_replay/ref_commit b/selfdrive/test/process_replay/ref_commit
index 0bd156c6e0..23d4a28f43 100644
--- a/selfdrive/test/process_replay/ref_commit
+++ b/selfdrive/test/process_replay/ref_commit
@@ -1 +1 @@
-d0e2657d3a57ba231e3775d3bc901221d8794281
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+e4fabe28e2223e40376320812ff803e833f72a7f
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