diff --git a/selfdrive/locationd/torqued.py b/selfdrive/locationd/torqued.py
index 5ed86e457f..fcaa19df73 100755
--- a/selfdrive/locationd/torqued.py
+++ b/selfdrive/locationd/torqued.py
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ class TorqueBuckets(PointBuckets):
 class TorqueEstimator(ParameterEstimator):
   def __init__(self, CP, decimated=False, track_all_points=False):
     self.hist_len = int(HISTORY / DT_MDL)
-    self.lag = 0.0
+    self.lag = CP.steerActuatorDelay + .2  # from controlsd
     self.track_all_points = track_all_points  # for offline analysis, without max lateral accel or max steer torque filters
     if decimated:
       self.min_bucket_points = MIN_BUCKET_POINTS / 10
@@ -175,8 +175,7 @@ class TorqueEstimator(ParameterEstimator):
       self.raw_points["steer_override"].append(msg.steeringPressed)
     elif which == "liveCalibration":
       self.calibrator.feed_live_calib(msg)
-    elif which == "liveDelay":
-      self.lag = msg.lateralDelay
+
     # calculate lateral accel from past steering torque
     elif which == "livePose":
       if len(self.raw_points['steer_torque']) == self.hist_len:
@@ -242,7 +241,7 @@ def main(demo=False):
   config_realtime_process([0, 1, 2, 3], 5)
 
   pm = messaging.PubMaster(['liveTorqueParameters'])
-  sm = messaging.SubMaster(['carControl', 'carOutput', 'carState', 'liveCalibration', 'livePose', 'liveDelay'], poll='livePose')
+  sm = messaging.SubMaster(['carControl', 'carOutput', 'carState', 'liveCalibration', 'livePose'], poll='livePose')
 
   params = Params()
   estimator = TorqueEstimator(messaging.log_from_bytes(params.get("CarParams", block=True), car.CarParams))
diff --git a/selfdrive/modeld/modeld.py b/selfdrive/modeld/modeld.py
index 1e3d1782e6..96520a4b15 100755
--- a/selfdrive/modeld/modeld.py
+++ b/selfdrive/modeld/modeld.py
@@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ def main(demo=False):
 
   # messaging
   pm = PubMaster(["modelV2", "drivingModelData", "cameraOdometry"])
-  sm = SubMaster(["deviceState", "carState", "roadCameraState", "liveCalibration", "driverMonitoringState", "carControl", "liveDelay"])
+  sm = SubMaster(["deviceState", "carState", "roadCameraState", "liveCalibration", "driverMonitoringState", "carControl"])
 
   publish_state = PublishState()
   params = Params()
@@ -256,6 +256,7 @@ def main(demo=False):
 
   # TODO this needs more thought, use .2s extra for now to estimate other delays
   # TODO Move smooth seconds to action function
+  lat_delay = CP.steerActuatorDelay + .2 + LAT_SMOOTH_SECONDS
   long_delay = CP.longitudinalActuatorDelay + LONG_SMOOTH_SECONDS
   prev_action = log.ModelDataV2.Action()
 
@@ -299,7 +300,6 @@ def main(demo=False):
     is_rhd = sm["driverMonitoringState"].isRHD
     frame_id = sm["roadCameraState"].frameId
     v_ego = max(sm["carState"].vEgo, 0.)
-    lat_delay = sm["liveDelay"].lateralDelay + LAT_SMOOTH_SECONDS
     lateral_control_params = np.array([v_ego, lat_delay], dtype=np.float32)
     if sm.updated["liveCalibration"] and sm.seen['roadCameraState'] and sm.seen['deviceState']:
       device_from_calib_euler = np.array(sm["liveCalibration"].rpyCalib, dtype=np.float32)
diff --git a/selfdrive/test/process_replay/process_replay.py b/selfdrive/test/process_replay/process_replay.py
index 4f8aa9d99d..2b0a6f8965 100755
--- a/selfdrive/test/process_replay/process_replay.py
+++ b/selfdrive/test/process_replay/process_replay.py
@@ -564,7 +564,7 @@ CONFIGS = [
   ),
   ProcessConfig(
     proc_name="torqued",
-    pubs=["livePose", "liveCalibration", "liveDelay", "carState", "carControl", "carOutput"],
+    pubs=["livePose", "liveCalibration", "carState", "carControl", "carOutput"],
     subs=["liveTorqueParameters"],
     ignore=["logMonoTime"],
     init_callback=get_car_params_callback,
@@ -573,7 +573,7 @@ CONFIGS = [
   ),
   ProcessConfig(
     proc_name="modeld",
-    pubs=["deviceState", "roadCameraState", "wideRoadCameraState", "liveCalibration", "liveDelay", "driverMonitoringState", "carState", "carControl"],
+    pubs=["deviceState", "roadCameraState", "wideRoadCameraState", "liveCalibration", "driverMonitoringState", "carState", "carControl"],
     subs=["modelV2", "drivingModelData", "cameraOdometry"],
     ignore=["logMonoTime", "modelV2.frameDropPerc", "modelV2.modelExecutionTime", "drivingModelData.frameDropPerc", "drivingModelData.modelExecutionTime"],
     should_recv_callback=ModeldCameraSyncRcvCallback(),