diff --git a/selfdrive/thermald/thermald.py b/selfdrive/thermald/thermald.py
index 64ca39d296..89b81f06ec 100755
--- a/selfdrive/thermald/thermald.py
+++ b/selfdrive/thermald/thermald.py
@@ -278,6 +278,7 @@ def thermald_thread(end_event, hw_queue):
     startup_conditions["up_to_date"] = params.get("Offroad_ConnectivityNeeded") is None or params.get_bool("DisableUpdates") or params.get_bool("SnoozeUpdate")
     startup_conditions["not_uninstalling"] = not params.get_bool("DoUninstall")
     startup_conditions["accepted_terms"] = params.get("HasAcceptedTerms") == terms_version
+    startup_conditions["offroad_min_time"] = (not started_seen) or ((off_ts is not None) and (sec_since_boot() - off_ts) > 5.)
 
     # with 2% left, we killall, otherwise the phone will take a long time to boot
     startup_conditions["free_space"] = msg.deviceState.freeSpacePercent > 2
@@ -338,7 +339,8 @@ def thermald_thread(end_event, hw_queue):
         started_seen = True
     else:
       if onroad_conditions["ignition"] and (startup_conditions != startup_conditions_prev):
-        cloudlog.event("Startup blocked", startup_conditions=startup_conditions, onroad_conditions=onroad_conditions)
+        cloudlog.event("Startup blocked", startup_conditions=startup_conditions, onroad_conditions=onroad_conditions, error=True)
+        startup_conditions_prev = startup_conditions.copy()
 
       started_ts = None
       if off_ts is None:
@@ -372,7 +374,6 @@ def thermald_thread(end_event, hw_queue):
     pm.send("deviceState", msg)
 
     should_start_prev = should_start
-    startup_conditions_prev = startup_conditions.copy()
 
     # Log to statsd
     statlog.gauge("free_space_percent", msg.deviceState.freeSpacePercent)